Pending, 7/8" Bore, 1964 Milled off last 3 digits 7/8" Bore Thanks in advance John. or TH2004R transmission. Russ Jan 6, 2013 #6 Rene Melten Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member Sep 22, 2007 4,119 Blind Bay, B.C. 1st gear is down left, 2nd is up left, 3rd is down right and 4th is up right. the two saginaws have the shift boss mounted on the gearbox itself, this makes it a cheaper setup but it transmits vibrations through the leaver. 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In Drive at full throttle, it would upshift from low gear to . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Saginaw iron case : M22: . ~ M22 (1969 and newer). It is often used in restorations and custom builds, as well as in off-road and racing vehicles. Any road If not for the internet they wouldn't have been able to fix the van. On the other hand, the Saginaw transmission is considered to be less durable and is better suited for less demanding applications. Get Directions. 3-speed manual overdrive units . ): transmission tunnel seal, 1963 SS 4-speed shifter boot, transmission pilot bearing, release fork boot, transmission mount, firewall/steering column seal, Hurst Competition Plus Shifter, 1963 SS-style shifter handle to fit the Hurst shifter, and the 4-speed No Z28 ever had a 6 cylinder engine. Attractive chrome-plated steel stick with 3/8-16 thread and custom white knob. The shifter typically sits close to the driver's seat, just behind the front seats. that would fix the 1-2 shift. shafts, Cover issued with "584" tail stud type shift shafts, Short boss with bolt on type shift shafts A forum community dedicated to all Chevy Nova, Chevy II, Acadian owners and enthusiasts. Saginaws are often used in restorations and custom builds. Price: $269.00 . I know some stuff about cars and trucks, but NOT like you guys. It feels real comfortable to pull the thing left & towards me. Consult a professional: If you're still unsure whether your car has a Saginaw 3-speed transmission, you can consult a professional mechanic or transmission specialist. For reverse, I assume you're not moving, do the same thing pushing toward third and then pulling up into reverse. Not only were they both popular transmissions in muscle cars and Corvettes, but many were even used after the muscle car era. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 27 spline, 1963 "Thin Fin Tail" Driver speedometer 27 spline, 1963 - 1965 Regular thick web, driver speedometer, transmission was standard on 396 engines (SS 396) and That is what I ended up with when I bought my cheap first Hurst Shifter. Go with the muncie it will be cheaper in the long run. i.e. driveshaft length clutch kit bellhousing. Call 800.979.0122, 7am-10pm, everyday. Saginaw transmissions were put in cars, trucks, and vans. On my first 4 speed, I had everything mocked up on the bench, then went "through" the gears. Since our shifters first started appearing as original equipment in some of the world's most notorious factory hot rods, our manual shifters have been known for their unbeatable quality, great looks, along with offering short, precise throws. inputs came with 32 spline output shafts and all 10 spline inputs came with 27 The special 3-speed H.D. GM Super T10, Saginaw 3 & 4 speed, GM T5, Powerglide, 200 & 350 transmissions. I've never used on in a high HP application, but the one I had I couldn't hurt if I tried. The Saginaw 3 speed uses the same cross member as the Muncies. Manual 3-speed Transmissions There were two 3-speed manual transmission options available in the 67-69 Camaros. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. My '75 Saginaw was down to the left, factory. tag (generally found on a lower bolt of the side cover), it will help identify Does anybody know which trans I had then? A hot rod shop towed them in. 3-Quarts Genuine Honda Acura Manual Transmission Fluid MTF 08798-9031. It uses the same driveshaft as a TH-350, and has a 10 spline clutch. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Muncie shift lever for 1-2 or 3-4. I bought the trans for 250 at a super Chevy show, purchased a rebuild kit on eBay for 100 but they have gotten less expensive over the last year or so, see below for a kit less than 70. I plan on using this trans just cause I got it for nothing, hopefully it lasts at least til I can afford a 4 or even 5 speed. . One of the main differences between the Muncie and Saginaw transmissions is their strength and durability. Rebuilt Saginaw 3 speed (1-1/8" 10 spline) Transmission. You can swap in a middle to late 60's saginaw three speed, fully synchronized, or the same era four speed saginaw, also fully synchronized, with a floor shifter, for a few dollars. I would post something in the chit chat area and hopefully one of the California guys will chime in. I've been looking around the internet for awhile and I keep seeing 2 different 3speeds. OE Replacements, we help you solve the problem! The saginaw in my 61 pickup is left and down and shows this pattern in the owners manual. Thanks for the stock numbers and if you could give me the amount it actually moves it over it sure would be appreciated Duh, I must have screwed up my linkage on my Saginawmy reverse is left & down. If you are unsure whether or not your car has a Saginaw transmission, follow the steps outlined above. 3-speed/Muncie 4-speed: 9-speed automatic transmission with 2.0L Turbo engine, Electronically controlled transmission with overdrive and gear range select Smooth, effortless automatic shifting 2.0L Turbo 4-cylinder engine, 228 hp @ 5000 rpm Offers 252 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque 4-cylinder dual overhead cam design with Direct-Injection and Variable Valve Timing (VVT . sort by: sale. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. The Sa is still used by many car enthusiasts today. It is the designation for a Saginaw 3 speed with the BW OD. and it can start leaking and is often confused with a leaking rear main seal. was built for. 1955 & Earlier Light Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission. If you are wondering if your car has a Saginaw transmission, there are several ways to identify it. The special 3-speed H.D. Heat treated components for durability and longer life. If it has been lost, a replace-ment may be obtained by writing to: Eaton Corporation Truck Components Global Marketing Services P.O. If it was the original tranny it was most likely a ST-10. model side covers had a hole and the shift arms attached with a bolt. Right side of main case, just in front of extension This video is just as informative but with better camera footage and different camera angles. With the 318 trans first and reverse you are actually moving & shifting a real gear. The Saginaw Transmission was designed to be easy to manufacture and install. Ultimately, the choice between a Muncie or Saginaw transmission depends on the specific needs and preferences of the driver. Come join the discussion about restorations, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! I realize that the early 3-speeds in the 50's are good transmissions and that they were made that way, but I want EASY shifting for pleasure. Shifter does not interfere with the seat and shift pattern fits the car perfectly. Car would not pull away in first gear. ). Standard Saginaw 3-speed transmission Heavy Duty full synchromesh 3-speed Borg Warner T16 delivered as the standard transmission when the SS 396 series was ordered. Serial numbers from 1963 to 1966 included only the month and day. I just did a Manual 3 speed Column to floor switch in my 66 Caprice. Today, the Saginaw is still a popular choice among car enthusiasts for cars from the muscle car era. Your Price: $230.95. Did not get into manuals until I bought a used S-10 (not a good truck), then I loved the manual shifts, so my next two trucks were manual shifts. . No double clutching, no jamming or forcing the gears in. The vehicle its on is a 1956 chevy. Flywheels do not interchange with any other series and are always 168 teeth. the month such as P8A01, meaning 1968 (8), January (A) 1st (01). Something wasnt rightI did some more research (cracked some books, saw pictures and diagrams) and found out the problem. The casting numbers will usually start with the letter "S" followed by a series of numbers that indicate the year and model of the transmission. The shift pattern is the same on Muncies, Saginaw and t-10"s. The shifter determines whether you have to lift up or push down for reverse. You can leave the column as is by just removing the pin and pull the shift lever in case you wanted to put it back one day. http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/vette/65 Chevelle L79/65Chevelle6June2010.jpg. B&M and Hurst offers a wide variety of shifters, shift knobs, and . 4. by the way the transmission arms attach. loose binding linkage and loose engine mounts can cause trouble also. Clutch Gaskets and Seals. in a close ratio version.If you are lucky and find the transmission CHART 4-SPEED TRANSMISSION I.D. I had a T10 in my Camaro and if I remember right, reverse was to the left and up (beside 1st gear). 1964 to 1968 Muncie 4-speed transmissions can be identified from later models it was designed for the Corvair (flat six 110 HP) not a Muscle car, or even a base horsepower V-8 in a heavy body. Saginaw 3 speed Transmission Bearing Kit with Synchro Rings, BK115AWS Our Price: $79.95 (6) . The later versions were redesigned to make them easier to down shift by installing syncronizers for all gear shift patterns, up and down shifting, making them "fully" syncronized. The Turbo 400 used in previous years was replaced with the more compact M-38 Turbo 350 automatic. They flew out there and them and their wives where driving it back following part of Route 66. I don't mind how it is now but would like it to be right, I did try flip the bracket facing up but It don't fit without hitting other rods, anyone know what the problem is? I ran a Sag. I just put a later 60s to early 70s era Saginaw four speed in my 57 with a hurst shifter. These kits contain everything to build a functional transmission that is superior in function, quality and craftsmanship. You can read more about us, here. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 5) Pull the cover and put everything in neutral. levers correctly. Standard Saginaw 3-speed transmission Muncie 4-speed manual transmission. New Process A833 All forward speeds synchronized. 2. . I know it's a car trans, because of the gearing. Pending, 7/8" Bore, 1963 - 1964 Regular Bearing Pat. In 1967, the pattern was always shown on the shifter knob. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. $45.00. I have a 78 Camaro z28 built 383 stroker, had a th350 in it but was having shifting problems so I just swapped it out for a Saginaw 4 speed,(yes I know I have too much power for a Saginaw) but it's all I have to work with at the moment, got the trans installed, and it didn't want to come out of Reverse, so I realigned the shifter to nuetral and adjusted the shift rods, now it shifts great, but I did notice my Reverse is left and down, isn't it supposed to be left and up? However, for more casual driving and less demanding applications, the Saginaw transmission may be a more affordable and practical choice. The Saginaw was designed not only for everyday driving but also to withstand extreme conditions such as racing and off-road driving. 27 spline, 1964 1965 Pontiac Catalina Long Tail Driver Speedo 27 Spline, 1966 1970 Passenger side speedometer, I will flip them upside right and give it another try. 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